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		<title>By: WellHeeled</title>
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		<dc:creator>WellHeeled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there is a certain demographic who can 1. afford to eat at a 4-star establishment, and 2. who chooses to do so. However, even for such a person, I don&#039;t think they would view a 4-star French restaurant vs. a 4-star Mexican restaurant in the same light. The fact of the matter is there are very few 4-star restaurants that caters to &quot;ethnic&quot; cuisine.  
 
I don&#039;t think that can be attributed solely to ingredients, or to skill of the chefs, after all, a Chinese cuisine can have ridiculously expensive ingredients, and expensive, better versions of the same basic ingredient (for example, cheap beef cuts vs. grass-fed, organic beef). Customer perception and market mentality must, IMHO, play into the fact that the marketplace seems to support continental / French cuisine as the top echelon of dining experiences.  
 
Thanks for your comment! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there is a certain demographic who can 1. afford to eat at a 4-star establishment, and 2. who chooses to do so. However, even for such a person, I don&#039;t think they would view a 4-star French restaurant vs. a 4-star Mexican restaurant in the same light. The fact of the matter is there are very few 4-star restaurants that caters to &quot;ethnic&quot; cuisine.  </p>
<p>I don&#039;t think that can be attributed solely to ingredients, or to skill of the chefs, after all, a Chinese cuisine can have ridiculously expensive ingredients, and expensive, better versions of the same basic ingredient (for example, cheap beef cuts vs. grass-fed, organic beef). Customer perception and market mentality must, IMHO, play into the fact that the marketplace seems to support continental / French cuisine as the top echelon of dining experiences.  </p>
<p>Thanks for your comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it has a lot to do with class.  
 
French food came from the aristocracy, and was something people could &quot;aspire&quot; to. A lot of Mexican food, Chinese food, etc. came from immigrant populations who didn&#039;t usually have a ton of money when they first established themselves (Chinese workers and the Canadian Railway come to mind).  
 
Due to living/spending restrictions (Whites only restaurants, &quot;Yellow&quot; washrooms, etc.), those restaurants catered to a certain population. Chinese food couldn&#039;t really be expensive, because the people eating it couldn&#039;t usually afford it. While it gradually gained a following, `it still hasn&#039;t shaken that notion of being &quot;poor food&quot;.  
 
My hunch is that immigrant groups that came later on, with more financial resources, have had better luck in pricing their traditional foods higher, Japanese + sushi for instance. 
 
Italians are the exception to this theory though. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it has a lot to do with class.  </p>
<p>French food came from the aristocracy, and was something people could &quot;aspire&quot; to. A lot of Mexican food, Chinese food, etc. came from immigrant populations who didn&#039;t usually have a ton of money when they first established themselves (Chinese workers and the Canadian Railway come to mind).  </p>
<p>Due to living/spending restrictions (Whites only restaurants, &quot;Yellow&quot; washrooms, etc.), those restaurants catered to a certain population. Chinese food couldn&#039;t really be expensive, because the people eating it couldn&#039;t usually afford it. While it gradually gained a following, `it still hasn&#039;t shaken that notion of being &quot;poor food&quot;.  </p>
<p>My hunch is that immigrant groups that came later on, with more financial resources, have had better luck in pricing their traditional foods higher, Japanese + sushi for instance. </p>
<p>Italians are the exception to this theory though.</p>
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		<title>By: L.A. Daze</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.A. Daze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting topic. I don&#039;t have much to add...except....it is really difficult to come by good French or Chinese food here in the US. It just doesn&#039;t taste like the way it does in those countries. I&#039;m always disappointed. And then it&#039;s overpriced. Bah.  
 
I also think that the US has a certain fascination with everything French. The food, the culture, the women. How come US women view French women as sophisticated and thin? Not all of them are like that.  
 
Also, the majority of Chinese dishes have been Americanized. Where can you find good shark fin soup or sea cucumber here? I don&#039;t think the majority of Americans would want to eat that, let alone pay the big bucks to eat it. They&#039;d rather go for escargot instead of sea cucumber.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting topic. I don&#039;t have much to add&#8230;except&#8230;.it is really difficult to come by good French or Chinese food here in the US. It just doesn&#039;t taste like the way it does in those countries. I&#039;m always disappointed. And then it&#039;s overpriced. Bah.  </p>
<p>I also think that the US has a certain fascination with everything French. The food, the culture, the women. How come US women view French women as sophisticated and thin? Not all of them are like that.  </p>
<p>Also, the majority of Chinese dishes have been Americanized. Where can you find good shark fin soup or sea cucumber here? I don&#039;t think the majority of Americans would want to eat that, let alone pay the big bucks to eat it. They&#039;d rather go for escargot instead of sea cucumber.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, it depends on the demographic.  There are plenty of expensive ethnic restaurants in San Franciso, for example.  Are they making beef and broccoli?  Hell no.  Because there is so much competition, in order to stand out, you have to be innovative.  People are willing to pay for it.  These people recognize that there is a difference between extremely well done food versus take-out Chinese.  The person who sees no difference typically is not willing to pay X amount for any type of cuisine, regardless if it&#039;s French.  It&#039;s not a matter of changing the mindset.  Good food is good food and certain people recognize and care about it and that&#039;s the target customer of expensive restaurants. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, it depends on the demographic.  There are plenty of expensive ethnic restaurants in San Franciso, for example.  Are they making beef and broccoli?  Hell no.  Because there is so much competition, in order to stand out, you have to be innovative.  People are willing to pay for it.  These people recognize that there is a difference between extremely well done food versus take-out Chinese.  The person who sees no difference typically is not willing to pay X amount for any type of cuisine, regardless if it&#039;s French.  It&#039;s not a matter of changing the mindset.  Good food is good food and certain people recognize and care about it and that&#039;s the target customer of expensive restaurants.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chinese is cheaper in general because the dishes that are popular are the easy, low-cost dishes.  Shark&#039;s fin soup and Bird&#039;s nest soup are expensive as they should be due to the ingredients.  As Victoria says, you can purchase a given cuisine at all price points.  French baguettes are cheap and  French people are not eating duck everyday.  It just depends on what the restaurants choose to serve within that specific cuisine.  Another example: Japanese food.  Sure, sushi is expensive, but when you go to Japan, you will find that most people save sushi for special occasions.  Everyday food is a noodle soup such as udon or ramen, which are much cheaper. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese is cheaper in general because the dishes that are popular are the easy, low-cost dishes.  Shark&#039;s fin soup and Bird&#039;s nest soup are expensive as they should be due to the ingredients.  As Victoria says, you can purchase a given cuisine at all price points.  French baguettes are cheap and  French people are not eating duck everyday.  It just depends on what the restaurants choose to serve within that specific cuisine.  Another example: Japanese food.  Sure, sushi is expensive, but when you go to Japan, you will find that most people save sushi for special occasions.  Everyday food is a noodle soup such as udon or ramen, which are much cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: FABULOUSLYBROKE.COM</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to try Irish food. Haven&#039;t found a place here that serves that. 
 
Thai is incredibly hard to make too. Lots of spices, curries.. things to grind up. 
 
You know, even Malaysian or Indian cuisine is time consuming. It takes at least 3 hours to grind that stuff, and then mix it, and then make a sauce, then cook the meat.... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d like to try Irish food. Haven&#039;t found a place here that serves that. </p>
<p>Thai is incredibly hard to make too. Lots of spices, curries.. things to grind up. </p>
<p>You know, even Malaysian or Indian cuisine is time consuming. It takes at least 3 hours to grind that stuff, and then mix it, and then make a sauce, then cook the meat&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: FABULOUSLYBROKE.COM</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crepes are delicious. BF makes them as a quick snack and I love it. 
 
Savoury OR sweet!  
 
But for me, it is fast French cuisine, and perhaps not what Well-Heeled is referring to as what is served in restaurants where you sit down and pay through the nose. 
 
Boeuf Bourguignon, Coq au Vin (also a long, tedious dish), etc. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crepes are delicious. BF makes them as a quick snack and I love it. </p>
<p>Savoury OR sweet!  </p>
<p>But for me, it is fast French cuisine, and perhaps not what Well-Heeled is referring to as what is served in restaurants where you sit down and pay through the nose. </p>
<p>Boeuf Bourguignon, Coq au Vin (also a long, tedious dish), etc.</p>
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		<title>By: FABULOUSLYBROKE.COM</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should note that in France, their fast food is ironically considered to be pizza. 
 
I think they actually eat more, or just as much pizza as Americans. 
 
But they eat gourmet pizza, with good cuts of meat and cheeses.. it&#039;s incredible the variety you get on the street.  
 
It is on 3 levels higher than Pizza Hut or those crap pizza chains. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should note that in France, their fast food is ironically considered to be pizza. </p>
<p>I think they actually eat more, or just as much pizza as Americans. </p>
<p>But they eat gourmet pizza, with good cuts of meat and cheeses.. it&#039;s incredible the variety you get on the street.  </p>
<p>It is on 3 levels higher than Pizza Hut or those crap pizza chains.</p>
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		<title>By: FABULOUSLYBROKE.COM</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I agree! 
 
Rick Bayless does Mexican cuisine and apparently he&#039;s the king of it now :) 
 
As for French food I think the high cost comes from: 
- Actual skill to make the sauces  
 
I watched BF once for 2 hours, make a slow sauce that took so much straining and draining.. And if he burnt the sauce he had to start over... gosh it was hard. 
 
And you had to make sure the sauce didn&#039;t break.. etc etc. 
 
- Cuts of the meat that tend to be better, are what cost more money. 
 
- Cost of other ingredients:  Boeuf Bourguignon also requires alcohol, and wine, or whatever needs to be added to the dish, tends to be pretty expensive. 
 
BF makes a Poulet Marengo, and the stuff he adds for the sauce is $40! And then the prawns (not shrimps) on top of that are $25/lb, etc etc.. 
 
- The time it takes is the worst. 
 
French food is not really (for me) on the same level as Italian or Chinese food in terms of the time it takes to make it 
 
For Chinese food, I chop up things, I throw it in a pan and I stir. Done. 
 
For Italian food, I guess if you don&#039;t make the pasta from scratch (which we don&#039;t, we buy the good expensive pasta)... everything is pretty simple to make in an hour or less. 
 
And the taste is fabulous, on par with French cuisine in my books, considering the time it takes to make it vs. French food. 
 
Phew! :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I agree! </p>
<p>Rick Bayless does Mexican cuisine and apparently he&#039;s the king of it now <img src='http://www.wellheeledblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>As for French food I think the high cost comes from:<br />
- Actual skill to make the sauces  </p>
<p>I watched BF once for 2 hours, make a slow sauce that took so much straining and draining.. And if he burnt the sauce he had to start over&#8230; gosh it was hard. </p>
<p>And you had to make sure the sauce didn&#039;t break.. etc etc. </p>
<p>- Cuts of the meat that tend to be better, are what cost more money. </p>
<p>- Cost of other ingredients:  Boeuf Bourguignon also requires alcohol, and wine, or whatever needs to be added to the dish, tends to be pretty expensive. </p>
<p>BF makes a Poulet Marengo, and the stuff he adds for the sauce is $40! And then the prawns (not shrimps) on top of that are $25/lb, etc etc.. </p>
<p>- The time it takes is the worst. </p>
<p>French food is not really (for me) on the same level as Italian or Chinese food in terms of the time it takes to make it </p>
<p>For Chinese food, I chop up things, I throw it in a pan and I stir. Done. </p>
<p>For Italian food, I guess if you don&#039;t make the pasta from scratch (which we don&#039;t, we buy the good expensive pasta)&#8230; everything is pretty simple to make in an hour or less. </p>
<p>And the taste is fabulous, on par with French cuisine in my books, considering the time it takes to make it vs. French food. </p>
<p>Phew! <img src='http://www.wellheeledblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and, i don&#039;t know about where you live, but around here there are a fair number of fast service crepe places which certainly fit within the boundaries of french food. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and, i don&#039;t know about where you live, but around here there are a fair number of fast service crepe places which certainly fit within the boundaries of french food.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it has a lot to do with the cost of the ingredients. french food has a lot of expensive cuts of beef (filet mignon) and cheeses. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it has a lot to do with the cost of the ingredients. french food has a lot of expensive cuts of beef (filet mignon) and cheeses.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my gosh, I LOVE this topic. I think that once a cuisine has been accepted long enough in &quot;mainstream&quot; U.S. culture you are able to purchase it at ALL price points, not just the very high or low end pricing. Exhibit A: Italian Food. You can purchase very inexpensive italian food or very expensive italian food.  But I&#039;d love to see additional thoughts on this... and on other types of cuisine as well, say, Thai food or Irish food. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gosh, I LOVE this topic. I think that once a cuisine has been accepted long enough in &quot;mainstream&quot; U.S. culture you are able to purchase it at ALL price points, not just the very high or low end pricing. Exhibit A: Italian Food. You can purchase very inexpensive italian food or very expensive italian food.  But I&#039;d love to see additional thoughts on this&#8230; and on other types of cuisine as well, say, Thai food or Irish food.</p>
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