My Debt That Doesn’t Feel Like Debt

Many personal finance bloggers talk about their diligent debt payoff strategies. I have debt too. When I graduated college I had $19,000 in student loans and a 10-year payment plan. My current student loan balance is $11,160.

The truth is, my student loan doesn’t feel like debt.

Let me explain. I received my loan through a special program, it’s interest free for the life of the loan. There is no financial sense for me to pay off this loan one minute sooner than I have to. So I just keep making my designated monthly payments. This might be heresy, but for the most part, I even feel debt free. Even though I obviously am not. Once I take on interest-bearing debt (say, for graduate school), I am sure that my mentality will change. I am sure I will try my best to pay off the money-suck as soon as I can.

Am I just fooling myself? Would you repay a loan that has no or low interest rate faster than you have to? Do you have debt that for whatever reason, just doesn’t feel like debt?

5 Lessons From PlaySpent

Several weeks ago I blogged about PlaySpent, an online game that gives a taste of life as the working poor. Today, I went back to the site and played again, and I felt compelled to write a little more about the experience. In my previous post about PlaySpent, several of you pointed out the shortcomings of the game (no options to get cheaper housing, no chance to take on another job, etc.). The game is rigged to make you “lose”, I don’t disagree about that, but I think it’s still a worthwhile exercise.

5 Lessons I’ve learned from PlaySpent

1. It is so difficult to build up any types of reserves. Many times I’d run out of money by the middle of the month. Even when I won the game (i.e. had money left over at the end of the money), the money I would have – at most $500 plus – isn’t enough for the rent I’d have to pay at the beginning of the next month.

2. One small money hiccup will cause a big problem. In one scenario, I need to replace a window for $100 after a neighborhood kid smashes it with a baseball. A $100 unexpected expense would be an annoyance in my current budget. But in PlaySpent, when I only had $70 until the next payday, $100 becomes a Very Big Deal.

3. You cannot afford to give your child a head-start or a leg-up. This is probably the most heartbreaking part of the game. My imaginary child gets selected for the gifted program at school, which costs $50. The cheapest thing to do is to decline the opportunity. It is so sad when $50 is too much to give your child a push in the right direction. Or, my imaginary child is falling behind in math, and my choices are to hire a tutor (too expensive), let the kid fail (what?!), or ask a friend for help. In the game I always chose the 3rd option, but how many low-income parents have friends who have the time to tutor their kid for free?

4. You are forced to delay necessary medical treatment. One choice I faced was to pay $400 for a root canal or grin and bear the pain with numbing gel. I chose the numbing gel because $400 would absolutely wipe out my budget for the month (and then some). I seriously think my tooth throbbed as I clicked the second option.

5. In the PlaySpent universe, I was poor. The truly depressing part, however, is that under the rules of the game I will very likely STAY poor. I wasn’t progressing, I had a basic survival job, not a CAREER I was building. Instead, of moving forward, I was barely treading water. There were so many setbacks and very few lucky breaks. It felt like everything served to pull me away from my goal of financial security.

That feeling, even though it was a game (a game!) was eye-opening. I don’t pretend to understand what it’s like to be on the edge of poverty, and I hope I will never experience that. But PlaySpent.org has opened my eyes to how and why it is so darn difficult to get back on your feet when you are so far down.

Paying Debt vs. Saving Money

Mathematically, paying down debt and saving up money both require you to spend less than you make. The mechanics of paying off a $10,000 loan vs. saving $10,000 is the same – in both instances, you would have to have $10,000 left over after you have paid for all your necessary expenses.

Motivation-wise, though, the two goals are different. Paying debt has the added allure of “being debt-free” and saving on the interest on the debt. Saving money, however, means you are building something, instead of just digging yourself out of a hole. This obviously motivates some people (it’s easier to want to do even better when you are already doing well).

What do you think? Readers who have both paid down debt and saved up money – which one do you think is more difficult? Which one was more motivating?

PlaySpent The Online Game’s Challenge: Can You Survive A Month in Poverty?

umdlogo PlaySpent The Online Games Challenge: Can You Survive A Month in Poverty?

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There are millions of Americans out of work and living in poverty today. Can you survive for a month when you only have $1,000 to your name, can only find a low-paying job, and have kids or pets to care for? That is the question asked by the Urban Ministries of Durham, a faith-based organization that provides food, shelter, and clothing to those in need in Durham, North Carolina. In collaboration with the interactive agency McKinney, Urban Ministries came up with this brilliant and thought-provoking online game: SPENT. (Hat tip to Stephanie for tweeting about this game).

PlaySpent.org

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What is PlaySpent?

Here are the premises of SPENT from McKinney’s press release:

  • Your savings are gone. You’ve lost your house. Accept the challenge to see if you can make it through the month on your last $1,000, learning quickly how changes in employment, housing, medical costs and other expenses can create an unexpected shortfall.
  • Play through a series of difficult challenges that require tough choices about work, where you live and what you can provide your family, seeing all too soon how decisions lead to unimagined consequences. Learn important facts about the condition of homelessness and the many services UMD provides.
  • Whether you quit or get to the end with no dollars or one, click “Donate to UMD” or “Get involved” and view the many ways players can contribute time and/or money via PayPal. Or play again hoping for a different outcome.

My Experience with PlaySpent

This site takes you through a month of trying to survive on little or no income – with real life obstacles that pop up along the way (Do you go to grandfather’s funeral? Should you send your child to camp? Should you pay your cell phone bill or your car note?). I played this game several times, and I pretty much failed every time. My faults came from always paying the dentist and taking the computer science class that can get me a higher-paying job. Two things that I have regarded as wise investments in my future- health care and education – have become luxuries that I cannot afford in SPENT.

In fact, the first time I tried to apply for the Administrative Temp position, I failed the typing test!  Through out different iterations of the game, I had to choose between getting a root canal or suffering more tooth pain. I had to decide if I take $10 that a family friend had given my imaginary child. I had to decide if I want to attend my grandfather’s funeral or skip it.  I had to decide if I want to pay my gas bill or my electric bill. This game is nothing if not sobering.

There are a lot of assumptions about poverty and homelessness. I think SPENT does an excellent job of making the experience easier to understand for a broader segment of the population. For too many people, poverty is not a game.

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Becoming Debt Free is About Passion and Intensity

This guest post is by Brad Chaffee,the author of Enemy of Debt, a personal-finance blog about the consequences of unnecessary and excessive personal debt. He believes that personal responsibility is a key to living an extraordinary life. (As a personal aside, Brad is one of the nicest and most helpful bloggers that I have had the pleasure of knowing. Case in point – him helping me out with a last minute guest post!)

Have you ever really tried to become debt free? If so, you’ve probably experienced that feeling like you are running in place without covering much ground. Becoming debt free has been compared to running a marathon. A lot of people start, but hardly anyone finishes.

I have started a lot of things I haven’t finished so I know exactly how it feels. Frustration, anxiety, failure, and [insert emotion here], comes to mind. You’re not alone.

I don’t think your failure necessarily suggests that you don’t want what you were after. I believe that most people simply do not realize what it takes. The first mistake I think people make is that they mistakenly focus primarily on the math, without understanding that the entire process is more of a mental game.

Doing good math is certainly important, but it’s only a very small piece of the puzzle.

After becoming debt free successfully, I can say the mental and emotional side of debt elimination is very real. If you are not prepared for what it will take then be prepared to run in place.

How Bad Do You Want It?

How passionate are you about achieving debt freedom? If it’s just something you kind of sort of want, then that’s definitely not enough. You have to be mad! You have to be sick of where you are with every ounce of your being. You have to hate your debt with a passion!

Passion is the key because without it, there is no motor driving you into action. If you are tired of living paycheck to paycheck and truly want a different result, you will have to stay motivated in order to reach your financial goals.

What Are You Willing To Do To Make It Happen?

You can want to become debt free until you are blue in the face, but if you are not willing to make the sacrifices needed you will fail. Paying off your debt takes unbridled commitment. If you are still hanging on to the very habits and behaviors that got you in debt in the first place, you’ll go nowhere fast. (Hence the “running in place” feeling most people encounter.)

I can tell you from experience, the one thing that limits a person’s ability to become debt free is their inability to sacrifice. The problem is usually them. It’s not their income, it’s their stubborn mindset.

We tried to become debt free many times before we were actually successful. Each time we’d pay one or two of our debts off, only to find ourselves right back at square one 3-6 months later. The reason was very simple. Our behaviors had not changed, and quite honestly, we must not have wanted to become debt free bad enough.

We only saw an opening to run the card or debt right back up again, because after all, we had a zero balance. Our old attitude about debt deciphered that to mean we had more money to spend.

When we decided to become debt free we gave up so much. We sacrificed our big screen TV, my xbox360, and together we sold our 2004 Pontiac Vibe, stopped going out to eat, and severely cut our entertainment budget. We practically sold everything we could to reach our goals faster, and it was painful. Those changes were not easy, but we were mad, and we were willing to kick our stuff to the curb in order to do it. It was totally worth it!

Tips to Keeping the Passion and Motivation Alive

  • Work together as a team
  • Open communication
  • Willingness to compromise
  • Stop borrowing money
  • Set mutual goals together on paper
  • Set milestones and celebrate accomplishments
  • Don’t expect perfection
  • Remind yourself often why you started the process
  • Believe in yourself, your spouse or your loved one
  • Take baby steps to reach your goals
  • Don’t stop! It is worth it (TRUST ME!)


Debt is the Kiss of Death for a Relationship?

debt and love Debt is the Kiss of Death for a Relationship?Debt isn’t just hazardous to your financial well-being, it can destroy your relationships as well.  Just ask one young lady featured in today’s New York Times article.  Three days after she divulged to her fiance that she had over $170,000 in student debt, he broke off the engagement.  For her future relationships, she decides that she needs to share that information much sooner, because it can be a “deal-breaker.”

Still, all of this raises the question: At what point do you have a moral obligation to disclose your indebtedness during courtship? On the eighth date? When you get to third base? In your eHarmony online dating profile?

“It’s a sliding scale,” said Ms. Riesel, the Manhattan lawyer. “It depends on the person and the nature of the relationship.” Ms. Winters, the Short Hills divorce lawyer, said it might depend on your definition of a serious relationship. “But I wouldn’t wait until you were signing leases for apartments or picking out engagement rings.”

With a dual-career couple, it’s not unsurprising to have combined debt levels of hundreds of thousands of dollars. An MBA and a doctor, or a pair of lawyers, for example, can easily graduate with over half a million dollars after their studies.  If both CB and I attend graduate school as planned, we will probably come out with around $100,000-$150,000 in individual debt loads, baring any unexpected windfalls (ahem, lottery, anyone?).  It makes a little easier knowing that any significant debt we incur will be when we are in a relationship together, so no one is blindsided by the topic.

I wonder, though, is there a dollar amount of my significant other’s debt at which I would “walk away” from an otherwise loving and secure relationship?  I would say no.  But I have never been in a situation similar to what was profiled in the New York Times.

Before a relationship gets serious, I believe in a frank discussion about finances, especially on the debt burden, is certainly in order. Whipping out your student loan statement or your credit report is a bit of a mood-killer, so I’d save that discussion until at least the third date! icon wink Debt is the Kiss of Death for a Relationship?

Questions for readers:

1. If you have significant debt, at what point would you share that information with your significant other?

2. If you are dating someone who has significant debt, at what point do you expect or would want to know that information?

3. Is there an debt amount that is a deal-breaker?

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Friends and Borrowing Money

iou piggy Friends and Borrowing Money

Let’s take a hypothetical situation. Let’s say that you are good long-time friends with “Sammy” (that’s a nice, unisex name, right?)

Now, one day, a few months ago, you and Sammy had a lunch date at a small neighborhood bistro. You have agreed to split the bill. But before you started ordering, Sammy realized that he/she didn’t have any money – the wallet was left at home. Although you generally avoid lending money to friends, you couldn’t very well tell Sammy to starve while you ate! So you paid for Sammy’s tab (~$20) and Sammy told you he/she will repay you when you get together the week after.

Well, you were supposed to get together a few times, but Sammy got really busy with work and school, and now finals time is coming up, and so the second lunch never materialized.

You realize that (1) Sammy is a good and upstanding person who would never try to take advantage of you, (2) Sammy has never borrowed money from you before, (3) right now is a very busy time for Sammy and this issue probably just slipped Sammy’s mind, (4) it’s only $20 (i.e. not the end of the world) – you’d rather write it off than to create rifts in the friendship.

On the other hand, $20 is $20 is $20. You would like to be repaid for what was clearly a loan. You have gently reminded Sammy once a few weeks ago but Sammy couldn’t meet up with you. But again – on the grand scale of things, your friendship is far more valuable than $20.

What would you do?

Amazing grace (period)

…is ending.

Just got my first bill from good ‘ol alma mater… the due date for the first payment is January 1, 2008. Happy New Year’s! Time to pay the piper!

From now until 2017, I’ll have to commit $160 every month to pay back my college loan. NOT complaining, though, I basically lucked out with an interest-free loan. And let’s face it, <$200 a month is a very feasible repayment when I think about the many, many college grads out there who are saddled with bigger loans.

I am NEVER paying back my student loans (early)

You heard that right.

I just spoke to the student loan department. It turns out that because my loan was from a private foundation, they have subsdized the interest for the duration of my college education (this I knew), and for the rest of the life of the loan (this I didn’t know and was VERY happy to find out).

So, I have an interest-free loan. Not just for six months or one year or two years, but for 10 years. As long as I stay current on payments, I will never pay interest. icon smile I am NEVER paying back my student loans (early) Can you tell I’m excited? And here I was worrying about my interest rate. Ha! In addition, I get a grace period of six months. My first payment is due in 2008. This is going to do wonders for my cash flow for the rest of 2007.

I wish I didn’t have a loan, but if I HAD to be in debt, this is probably the best deal I’ll ever get.

Liberal arts to law school?

For a LONG time, I planned on going to a top law school, specializing in corporate law, and becoming a Big Law partner by the time I’m 35. Yes, I had that life mapped out when I was 13. I like to read, I like to write, I like to nit-pick. I’d be the perfect lawyer!

I talked about becoming a lawyer all the time when I was younger. So Mom tolerated my liberal arts degree because she always assumed that I’d go to law school. This is how I escaped the dreaded, “so, WHAT are you going to do with that degree?” question for the first couple years of college. But my focus changed. After seeing older friends struggle with the Beast (also known as LSAT), and really wanting a break from 3 MORE years of schooling, I decided that I wasn’t sure about law school. Mom freaked out. In retrospect, I couldn’t really blame her. I mean, she spent $100,000 for me to read great books and think and delve into the questions of life, which is all fine and good, but doesn’t even BEGIN to pay the bills.

But despite the tension and pressure from Mom (and myself), I am really glad that I didn’t let what-am-I-going-to-do-with-my-life-let’s-go-to-law-school! push me into applying. Because once I’m on that treadmill I would’ve ran with everything I’ve got. So I knew, if I’m serious about law school, that would require a huge investment in terms of time, money, and energy. Then AFTER I get into a school, comes writing the tuition checks for $50,000 a year. After thinking it over, I concluded that I should NOT go $150,000 into debt to be tortured by the Socratic method.

I think this is something that many liberal arts students don’t think about. If they’re smart and don’t really know what to do after graduation, law school is often the default option. A J.D. is a valuable degree, but law school is such a huge investment when you’re not sure if you want to do law. Unless you go into Big Law for several years, it’d be pretty difficult to pay back the mountain of debt that you owe to Mr. Socratic. Fortunately, things worked out for me. I got a good job. I’m happy. Mom’s happy. icon wink Liberal arts to law school?

My student debt just died a little

For all this time I thought I had $20,000 in student loans. According to my financial aid summary that I just received, however, I owe $19,000. icon razz My student debt just died a little It’s like getting a gift I haven’t been expecting. I guess my loan obligation puts me directly in line with the average college graduate. The American Council on Education has more in-depth information on amount of debt from different types of institutions and degree programs.

Also check out this 2004 report (pdf) from ACE about debt burden. It might be a bit dated as the data is from the 1990s. The report concludes that in general debt burden for students receiving their baccalaureate degree in the 1990s was manageable and unchanged at 7 percent. However, if borrowing levels continue to increase, interest rates rise, or recent graduate salaries decline, debt burden will increase.

According to an interesting article from the New York Times, apparently families equate the price of tuition with the quality of education – so that some colleges have increased their tuition (and aid) to attract more applicants.

Lucie Lapovsky, a consultant who was once president of Mercy College in New York, conducted a study asking students to choose between a college charging $20,000 and offering no aid, and one charging $30,000 and offering a $10,000 scholarship. Students chose the pricier option. “Americans seem to like college on sale,” Dr. Lapovsky said.

Have credit, will travel

USA Today’s Young and In Debt serie presents Tolu Adeleye, a MIT Sloan graduate who charged $35,000 in credit card debt due to travels during business school (he also has $25,000 in business school loans). Out of all the stories, his is probably the one I can most relate to. I LOVE to travel, and I can understand how it’d be easy to swipe the card for plane tickets, hotels, and dinners when you’re at a top business school with prospects for a high-paying job. Now I know it’s not smart to rack up credit card debt, but I can see Tolu’s side of the story. He’s been to 22 countries! I guess you can say the experience was priceless. icon wink Have credit, will travel

His $25,000 student loans was a good investment – Tolu has a $100,000+ post-MBA salary, with more opportunities for advancement. He lives in Minneapolis, so those six figures will go much farther than in New York or San Francisco. If he buckles down, I think he can pay off his debt relatively quickly.

I’ve heard that many MBA students take out more school loans than they need for tuition and room/board (which has a lower interest rate than credit cards), and just use the rest to travel. I know it’s not prudent, but when the travel bug bites, it bites hard! Most MBA students have worked for 4 to 6 years before school, and will be jumping back into the working pool after two years. B-school would probably be their only chance to be a globe-trotter for a long while, unless they become consultants or something.

Let’s see: I’ve been to Argentina, Bulgaria, Canada, China, the Czech Republic, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Japan, Korea, Mexico, and Uruguay. But some of these countries were only day trips, so they didn’t quite count. I’ve also had the pleasure of visiting England and Switzerland, but only if you count time spent in airport. Every time I get a new stamp in my passport I can’t help but smile. I want to visit Spain, Italy, and Morrocco within the next five years. Hopefully I’ll have saved something for a travel fund by the time I go to B-school.

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